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When I first started driving diesel cars twenty years ago, which then has high tolerance mechanic diesel pumps, I was given similar advice by the foreman at a diesel specialist, was to keep the tank full to minimise the about of water in the fuel which he said occurred in a part empty tank due to condensation.

First thing, yes, this is a real dogs dinner in the UK and politically designed to be so! Supreme EN, this is not Synergy and is E5. Laurence, not sure what testing kit you have but there is a kit available that you only need a swab, therefore you don't even need to buy any petrol, just get some drips left in the nozzle. It really looks like there is only genuine Esso stations left selling E0 in the UK, use them or lose them.

A year ago, Classic Bike Magazine did an article on a kit to take ethanol out of petrol. If it comes to that we need a joined up answer as to where to put the ethanol and water mix? I'm still annoyed at the likes of the FBHVC backing E5 as their legacy fuel while endorsing some of these anti ethanol products, they are not the answer. The answer is to not have ethanol in your fuel. Parliament and so called scientists didn't think the public needed to know.

Am I furious? You bet I am. What happened to choice. How long before a bunch of Eco warriors have it shut down? The future is orange, rust coloured! As every new vehicle has to be at whatever this years emission level is, and our old vehicles have survived both time and 'government scrappage schemes' across Europe, what better way to get them off the road permanently than by inducing them to incinerate themselves by dissolving the fuel tanks!

Seriously though Neil, You are beginning to sound like a record that has stuck in the groove. Repeated ethanol disaster "rants" really isn't going to change anything.

You have and do contribute lots of good, useful, pertinent information on these boards, and long may that continue, but the ethanol one is a lost cause. There are a heck of a lot more greenies about than Norton Owners! Neil mentions that the FBHVC backs the use of ethanol in fuel; the representatives of the federation fought against ethanol on our behalf but the introduction was largely the result of EC legislation.

It's worth pointing out that the Norton Owners Club is a member of the federation and that the charges for the Club are 43 pence per member of the Club, so that's 43 pence of your Club Subscription which goes straight to the federations' funds. Other than policital representation in England, one of the primary reasons for being part of the federation is access to the public liability insurance and also product insurance policies which we require in order to operate the Club events and the Spares Scheme.

Provision of insurance outside the federation would be much more expensive and time-consuming to find. I am suggesting that the three of you lot above begin to behave before someone sets AJD loose upon you all. Remember, she is due for parole in about 3 weeks time. Another Is there no end to this pattern??? Anyway, after 3 weeks of patiently waiting for Christmas to arrive Plus if the factory hold onto my bike for 3 weeks it will be exactly one year since I paid the deposit and then excitedly waited 3 weeks for delivery.

Is there no end to this spooky drivel??? It's misleading to call it Esso Supreme Synergy. Synergy is a name currently applied to all the Esso brands including the lowests grades.

That is exactly right, Richard and that is what I have been doing. Richard, my point was that the Tesco outlets marketed as Esso does not say Synergy on the pumps, at least not the one in Starbeck.

Not mentioning the NOC I can give you the details if you require. But guess what: The Journal editor put a stop to discussing ethanol. They back E5 as a legacy fuel and that is on record Why were they not a stake holder? George, failure is when you give up. Should we not be working together to find E0 fuel and create demand for it OR drain your tanks and hang up your helmet for good? Taking ethanol out in these circumstances might not help. A dogs dinner indeed! Esso Customer Services were quite happy to confirm on They obviously have many enquiries on the same subject and were well versed on the subject.

I fitted an alloy tank to my Commando about 5 years ago, apart from that I can't see ethanol having any effect at all, my fuel pipes are still there tygon and my carbs haven't dissolved. I've got better things to do than scour the countryside for E0 fuel. Just get on with thrashing the life out of your bike and enjoying it. David, your choice, if you believe in choice? Just a matter of time and you won't be the first telling me this Good Luck.

Laurence, your method works well, I have a bag full of old Petseal I test on. I took it out of my model 50 tank in soft strips Only my 16H tank remains with the old Petseal. I'm not putting that at risk or the NOS carb, thank you. Thanks for the links, long but an education.

The engineering solution is simple, just buy petrol without ethanol while there is limited choice. No offence. You are entitled to your own opinion.

There is an awful lot of interest in the Ethanol issue and I simply put up on the forum what I had discovered to save a duplication of effort on the part of anyone who happened to be one of those who was interested. The price is not of an consequence to someone who wants the stuff - you have to pay the going rate. Quite right Richard, anyone not interested doesn't have to read the ethanol discussions, that simple.

Interesting though that David was looking at an Indian Alloy tank. Would that be as a spare for when the attack comes? And it will come. I just filled up my MG with E0 this afternoon and will buy another can to top up the bikes on Saturday. If they ever change the formula I hope they change the label, though I am encouraged by being told by e-mail that Esso have no intention of changing this fuel. Thank goodness.

Tesco 99 Momentum is what did the damage to my Petseal. Quite a bit of solvent in there. He told me that he had no trouble with ethanol, he bought his petrol from Morrisons and just added a few drops of Millers anti ethanol. So the inevitable was slowed down. He came back from holiday a couple of years ago to tell me his tank sealant had turned to goo and there was damage on another old bike too. Many thanks for that. Oddly enough when I first visited the garage where I eventually bought the Esso Supreme Plus, thinking that I would clarify the issue there and then, I asked the attendant who didn't know anything about the Ethanol issue, whether Esso tankers delivered the fuel.

His reply was that it was delivered by another company which I think was called Wains and Esso themselves later told me when I queried this that their fuel is distributed by independent carriers.

Just another little mystery to add into the mix. I have now received contradictory information from Esso regarding garages which supply Ethanol free unleaded petrol. I was led to believe by one member of their customer services team that Esso Supreme Plus was Ethanol free.

I am now informed by email that some Esso Supreme Plus may contain Ethanol and the nearest Esso garage selling this fuel is an hours drive away in Stoke on Trent. I have replied asking for further clarification. There is currently no requirement for renewable fuel such as ethanol to be present in super unleaded 97 octane grade petrol.

The closest sites available within our network supplying ethanol free super unleaded 97 E0 may be found around the Birmingham area. Please find below a service station where you can purchase ethanol free super unleaded Thanks for your update, Richard. Not talking about it will not resolve the situation so thanks for commenting. At least these places have the stuff marked up as EN And they say they have no intention of adding ethanol in the E free zones.

Strange they should suggest no requirement for 97 grade to add ethanol, this appears out of date as government struggle to meet their renewable targets and that includes burning more biomass at Drax. Burning more ethanol too BTW due to a reduced mpg BP Ultimate went E5 during the Summer. Politicians are catching up on reality, they are looking at curbing diesel fumes but also due to the damage and ill effects, replacing ethanol with less damaging butanol! Not hygroscopic and almost as efficient as pure petrol.

Not certain yet if this attacks materials but have to make it cost efficient. Still, at least it wouldn't need to be taken to the distribution point in a sealed tanker. I only use EO fuel since standard fuel dissolved the tank liners on two of my bikes and the filler pipe of the wifes Merc. I also put a piece of tape any sort on the breather hole of the tank caps of my bikes.

Not sure if this is a safe practise sealed cans are not allowed on Manx ferry! I allow the bike to settle from sloshing about before taping.

I think this reduces the amount of tank breathing moist air. Probably would also seek out weak fuel tap seals. Bikes that run clean plugs also get a shot of 2 stroke now and again. Living in Sweden, I have a solution to the ethanol problem. We have a special fuel for lawnmovers, chainsaws etc. It has a storage life of years and contains no ethanol. You can get it as 95, 98 and Not cheap, but in the quantities I use per year I can afford it.

I use nothing else in the Manx and the 16H. The tank has leaked due to See attachment and note all the electrics that the fuel dripped onto. Thanks for the pictures, Phil. Mikael, I think I mentioned it earlier about the Swedish fuel designed for gardening equipment.

It is available in many UK garden equipment shops. It is indeed expensive but cheaper than say a new lawnmower engine and fuel tank. Ideal for winter storage and that goes for our Norton's too. A year ago, Classic Bike Magazine ran an article on removing ethanol from petrol. Further research shows that a lot of petrol is actually sub standard and has it's octane is boosted only by ethanol. Take the ethanol out and you may end up with duff petrol.

All this grief, just to meet renewable targets! Hi Richard. Thankfully I go near all of them nearly every month so filling the car and a can works out. Not so sure about a ride up to Scotland though? But I think the big problem is when you are not riding your bike for a while, so like riding on the continent, you might get away with it.

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